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Uncovering Our Hidden Misogyny
by
Kirsten Powers
and
Shari Thomas
The problem of misogyny is not one relegated only to foreign countries, but can be found in America as well. In fact, some of the signs are so common-place that it has become almost unrecognizable; side comments in meetings when a woman offers an idea, the overuse of the female body in advertising, the objectification of women in film, music and art are all symptoms of a much greater disease. Yes, we have come a long way from the days portrayed in television shows like Mad Men, but it is still true, many men privately do not respect woman.
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Melody Hanson
I'm sorry but I don't understand. Are you the same Mike Foster that co-wrote Deadly Vipers? I think what you are discussing here is amazing and important, but I'm wondering if you are that person, because that book is full of macho-isms and denigrating stereotypes about women. Could someone please help me understand because this is a total disconnect for me.
But thanks for this discussion. I thought you asked some interesting questions.
Batreader
Would this male interviewer really have spoken for so long at the start if he had had male interviewees?
Johan
The older one gets, the more you conservative you tend to become. It is not a mere because you grew up in another time, but it is a more because you are able to retrospect in a wider and more long term period of time and therefore project a similar future vision.
When you were younger, you were just as progressive. My best friend is gay. Back in the early nineties we talked about it, because his parents and friends didn't know at the time.
He said gay men should be able to marry, and I agreed. I thought about them having bought a house or any other property and therefore having a fiscal advantage when they had the chance of marriage.
Than he continued about adoption, but I stopped bearing with him. I was opposed to it. But than he said 'If a lesbian couple just can have children when they want, why wouldn't we?!'. I still was opposed to 2 men having a child. I told him about the physical bounding of women with their child. He couldn't fully grasp that, because women were not in the equation in his (sexual) projections.
I could understand him, in terms of equality, he'd be right, but still I begged to differ.
In that prospective (I still don't have any children of my own), I started to understand why the corner stone of our society, the family, had gradually starting to degrade as a price for freedom.
Agreed that one's freedom ends where the loss of the other one's freedom starts.
And agreed that the one's who consider them 'unliberated from religion' apply the freedom they get in the free world to demand the relatively free spirits (eg. : atheists) to comply with their rules. I know that Islam will prevail in Europe because Muslims say : 'If you think you are free enough to comply with the Kuran, than please vote the last democratic law ever issued to be the Sharia law'.
I sincerely reject religion, but I don't do that with the people who are religious.
The advantage of religion : it was very necessary in history, because if it hadn't been from the Church : we still would have had a lot of inbred because the Church started the idea of registering the last names of the men. Initially the rich in order to stay rich, but a few Centuries later communities did the same all over Europe. All Art and script was kept by the Church. It was very very necessary!
The same with the Islam.
1789 Robbespierre, Montesquieu, 'enlightenment' , the US had its own John Locke and all the Founding Fathers.
If that is part of your history it reflects in the daily world you are living in and before you're 9 yo, you are already 'captured'.
Imagine NOT having this in the pragmatic daily life, but having religion, Mosks, Imams, etc. and you become a 15 yo, and only THAN they submerge you into our world, than you can have a very hard time rubbing the previous off, if you try or not.
Now, I can see that religion isn't all that bad. But when I was 15, I was the world's greatest atheist!
The problem is that, when I was 30, I just learned to consider religious people as 'interesting subjects to study'.
Now I'm 40 and I have accepted we are all in the same boat. Respect is imperative, but don't mix it with 'awe', 'awe' is respect out of fear, and way too many people don't see the difference.
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